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	<title>Comments on: Not Sold on &#8220;Dynamic #BPM&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: sfrancis</title>
		<link>http://www.bp-3.com/blogs/2009/11/not-sold-on-dynamic-bpm/comment-page-1/#comment-4868</link>
		<dc:creator>sfrancis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2010 14:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No argument from me :)  In some environments the structure itself can be parameterized... but it takes a pretty skilled and creative author to set those types of processes up, and there are still limitations.  It reminds me of a conversation I once had with the ACM crowd.  The argument was not all decisions can be exploded in a hail of decision gateways - I pointed out that often decisions can be treated as data, rather than flow - greatly reducing the reliance on flow to represent decisions that don&#039;t really impact the process flow (ie, they don&#039;t change the nature of the business process). </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No argument from me :)  In some environments the structure itself can be parameterized&#8230; but it takes a pretty skilled and creative author to set those types of processes up, and there are still limitations.  It reminds me of a conversation I once had with the ACM crowd.  The argument was not all decisions can be exploded in a hail of decision gateways &#8211; I pointed out that often decisions can be treated as data, rather than flow &#8211; greatly reducing the reliance on flow to represent decisions that don&#8217;t really impact the process flow (ie, they don&#8217;t change the nature of the business process).</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.bp-3.com/blogs/2009/11/not-sold-on-dynamic-bpm/comment-page-1/#comment-4864</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Nov 2010 15:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you here, but I have yet to see a real adaptive BPM solution. When they say &quot;change at run time&quot; these are variables within the process, as opposed to the actual structure of the process itself...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you here, but I have yet to see a real adaptive BPM solution. When they say &#8220;change at run time&#8221; these are variables within the process, as opposed to the actual structure of the process itself&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: sfrancis</title>
		<link>http://www.bp-3.com/blogs/2009/11/not-sold-on-dynamic-bpm/comment-page-1/#comment-4860</link>
		<dc:creator>sfrancis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Nov 2010 13:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dynamic, adaptive... to me these are words that mean, at run-time, I can change the behavior of a process (as a user), and that the software supports that.  Or, additionally, that I can change something other than code (as an author) and change the behavior of the process.  

But neither term focuses on business benefit.  The benefit isn&#039;t to be dynamic or adaptive.  The benefit is what being dynamic or adaptive gets you, the business user/customer.  

The vendors are (too often) still selling to IT. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dynamic, adaptive&#8230; to me these are words that mean, at run-time, I can change the behavior of a process (as a user), and that the software supports that.  Or, additionally, that I can change something other than code (as an author) and change the behavior of the process.  </p>
<p>But neither term focuses on business benefit.  The benefit isn&#8217;t to be dynamic or adaptive.  The benefit is what being dynamic or adaptive gets you, the business user/customer.  </p>
<p>The vendors are (too often) still selling to IT.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.bp-3.com/blogs/2009/11/not-sold-on-dynamic-bpm/comment-page-1/#comment-4855</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Nov 2010 12:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dynamic BPM as you said it is a buzzword. It means nothing and delivers nothing new. For me, dynamic would imply adaption of a process, but we know BPM doesnt allow this in a real sense...You can only deliver Adaptive processes if you ditch the reliance on a designer tool and map that strictly builds the process. 

I am not saying go Case Management, but using a rigid map and designer tool stops any form of adaptive processing...With my consultant hat on, if a BPM vendor told a customer of mine, &quot;we are dynamic&quot; I would urge them to be shown the door....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dynamic BPM as you said it is a buzzword. It means nothing and delivers nothing new. For me, dynamic would imply adaption of a process, but we know BPM doesnt allow this in a real sense&#8230;You can only deliver Adaptive processes if you ditch the reliance on a designer tool and map that strictly builds the process. </p>
<p>I am not saying go Case Management, but using a rigid map and designer tool stops any form of adaptive processing&#8230;With my consultant hat on, if a BPM vendor told a customer of mine, &#8220;we are dynamic&#8221; I would urge them to be shown the door&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anatoly Belychook</title>
		<link>http://www.bp-3.com/blogs/2009/11/not-sold-on-dynamic-bpm/comment-page-1/#comment-811</link>
		<dc:creator>Anatoly Belychook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott

I learned this kind of magic on a training last year, it&#039;s called &quot;switching the communication protocol&quot;. We use scientific protocol mostly for our IT jobs: definitions, logical conclusions, democratic style of discussions etc. But there are also administrative (&quot;you do this now!&quot;), conflictological (&quot;I&#039;m on your side&quot;, the &quot;win-win&quot; kind of talks) and metaphorical. The latter is specifically prescribed for new ideas generation. It turns out to be more powerfull than scientifical e.g. when a team makes an early attempt to design the future. One of the most important recommendation was about brain storming sessions: the session moderator should be able to detect the protocol used by participants at the given moment and to switch the protocol to more appropriate.

Yet it&#039;s a new technique for me so I appreciate your side note very much - seems that it works!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott</p>
<p>I learned this kind of magic on a training last year, it&#8217;s called &#8220;switching the communication protocol&#8221;. We use scientific protocol mostly for our IT jobs: definitions, logical conclusions, democratic style of discussions etc. But there are also administrative (&#8220;you do this now!&#8221;), conflictological (&#8220;I&#8217;m on your side&#8221;, the &#8220;win-win&#8221; kind of talks) and metaphorical. The latter is specifically prescribed for new ideas generation. It turns out to be more powerfull than scientifical e.g. when a team makes an early attempt to design the future. One of the most important recommendation was about brain storming sessions: the session moderator should be able to detect the protocol used by participants at the given moment and to switch the protocol to more appropriate.</p>
<p>Yet it&#8217;s a new technique for me so I appreciate your side note very much &#8211; seems that it works!</p>
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		<title>By: Anatoly Belychook</title>
		<link>http://www.bp-3.com/blogs/2009/11/not-sold-on-dynamic-bpm/comment-page-1/#comment-4627</link>
		<dc:creator>Anatoly Belychook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott

I learned this kind of magic on a training last year, it&#039;s called &quot;switching the communication protocol&quot;. We use scientific protocol mostly for our IT jobs: definitions, logical conclusions, democratic style of discussions etc. But there are also administrative (&quot;you do this now!&quot;), conflictological (&quot;I&#039;m on your side&quot;, the &quot;win-win&quot; kind of talks) and metaphorical. The latter is specifically prescribed for new ideas generation. It turns out to be more powerfull than scientifical e.g. when a team makes an early attempt to design the future. One of the most important recommendation was about brain storming sessions: the session moderator should be able to detect the protocol used by participants at the given moment and to switch the protocol to more appropriate.

Yet it&#039;s a new technique for me so I appreciate your side note very much - seems that it works!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott</p>
<p>I learned this kind of magic on a training last year, it&#8217;s called &#8220;switching the communication protocol&#8221;. We use scientific protocol mostly for our IT jobs: definitions, logical conclusions, democratic style of discussions etc. But there are also administrative (&#8220;you do this now!&#8221;), conflictological (&#8220;I&#8217;m on your side&#8221;, the &#8220;win-win&#8221; kind of talks) and metaphorical. The latter is specifically prescribed for new ideas generation. It turns out to be more powerfull than scientifical e.g. when a team makes an early attempt to design the future. One of the most important recommendation was about brain storming sessions: the session moderator should be able to detect the protocol used by participants at the given moment and to switch the protocol to more appropriate.</p>
<p>Yet it&#8217;s a new technique for me so I appreciate your side note very much &#8211; seems that it works!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Francis</title>
		<link>http://www.bp-3.com/blogs/2009/11/not-sold-on-dynamic-bpm/comment-page-1/#comment-810</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anatoly - 

you&#039;re right, and I think it does describe a subset of processes that are &quot;unstructured&quot; but I think it describes the user rather than the process (or problem) - which is why I like the other terms better... 

BTW, I like the name of your patterns on your post &quot;A little help from a friend&quot;, for example.  I think having good names for patterns is part of the magic for helping people remember to use them (think four horsemen in Java).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anatoly &#8211; </p>
<p>you&#8217;re right, and I think it does describe a subset of processes that are &#8220;unstructured&#8221; but I think it describes the user rather than the process (or problem) &#8211; which is why I like the other terms better&#8230; </p>
<p>BTW, I like the name of your patterns on your post &#8220;A little help from a friend&#8221;, for example.  I think having good names for patterns is part of the magic for helping people remember to use them (think four horsemen in Java).</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Francis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anatoly - 

you&#039;re right, and I think it does describe a subset of processes that are &quot;unstructured&quot; but I think it describes the user rather than the process (or problem) - which is why I like the other terms better... 

BTW, I like the name of your patterns on your post &quot;A little help from a friend&quot;, for example.  I think having good names for patterns is part of the magic for helping people remember to use them (think four horsemen in Java).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anatoly &#8211; </p>
<p>you&#8217;re right, and I think it does describe a subset of processes that are &#8220;unstructured&#8221; but I think it describes the user rather than the process (or problem) &#8211; which is why I like the other terms better&#8230; </p>
<p>BTW, I like the name of your patterns on your post &#8220;A little help from a friend&#8221;, for example.  I think having good names for patterns is part of the magic for helping people remember to use them (think four horsemen in Java).</p>
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		<title>By: Anatoly Belychook</title>
		<link>http://www.bp-3.com/blogs/2009/11/not-sold-on-dynamic-bpm/comment-page-1/#comment-807</link>
		<dc:creator>Anatoly Belychook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, thanks for complete clarification. Gartner pushes &quot;knowledge worker processes&quot; term - a bit complicated to me but they are strong in establishing terms so let&#039;s see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, thanks for complete clarification. Gartner pushes &#8220;knowledge worker processes&#8221; term &#8211; a bit complicated to me but they are strong in establishing terms so let&#8217;s see.</p>
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		<title>By: Anatoly Belychook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anatoly Belychook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, thanks for complete clarification. Gartner pushes &quot;knowledge worker processes&quot; term - a bit complicated to me but they are strong in establishing terms so let&#039;s see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, thanks for complete clarification. Gartner pushes &#8220;knowledge worker processes&#8221; term &#8211; a bit complicated to me but they are strong in establishing terms so let&#8217;s see.</p>
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